Nietzsche contra Greenspan

As Fran pointed out (eurotrib.com), 15th October was Nietzsche's birthday. He urged others to "live dangerously" - but he didn't do extreme sports :-) His life was very much one of the mind and the danger was in challenging his culture's most basic assumptions and values. He would not be surprised to learn that he is widely misundertood now, he was widely misunderstood in his own time:

It has been said that Nietzsche is one of the best known and yet least understood of philosophers
...
 Nietzsche never wanted disciples, indeed even Zarathustra hopes to see his followers repudiate him in the end. Nietzsche wants thinkers, able and willing to form their own answers for themselves. In this way, Nietzsche is not so much telling his readers what to think, but rather how to think. His works are meant to convey not a product but a process, and that process is at the heart of what it is to be human.

http://www.philosophers.co.uk/cafe/phil_feb2002.htm

In a comment on Jerome's diary  "nobody could have predicted  ..."
I cited an article which was very critical of Greenspan and those in government who'd failed to question his his pernicious ideology and became, effectively, his disciples:

Re: "nobody could have predicted..."

(Greenspan) had a way of speaking that made you think he knew exactly what he was talking about at all times," said Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa. "He was able to say things in a way that made people not want to question him on anything, like he knew it all. He was the Oracle, and who were you to question him?

ARGeezer commented:

... While I do not recommend that all college undergraduates be required to take a course on rhetroic, I do think that they should be required to take a course that alerts them to the power of that art to win on style arguments that should loose on substance.  The dominance of Friedman and Greenspan and the techniques used by Greenspan should be combed and used as exhibit A.

http://www.eurotrib.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2008/10/12/155513/02

I think a course in rhetoric and informal logic would be a lot more valuable than many things students study, but I don't think it's really necessary. It wasn't so much anything Greenspan said so much as his confident manner, according to Harkin (above). More fundamental is doing what Nietzsche tried to do, i.e. encouraging others be generally sceptical, to think for themselves and to be critical of even the most widely accepted experts and authorities:

Not giving Descartes the benefit of the doubt

Modern philosophy is often said to begin with Descartes and his radical scepticism, but a review of a recent book on Descartes in the IHT gets it wrong regarding the significance of one of Descartes' most famous ideas:

Descartes' Bones A Skeletal History of the Conflict Between Faith and Reason By Russell Shorto
He naturally begins with the living, breathing Descartes, whose proclamation "Cogito ergo sum" ("I think, therefore I am") can be seen as the cornerstone of modern scientific thought.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/15/arts/bookmer.php

In fact Descartes' cogito was almost the exact opposite of the scientific approach, it was a betrayal of his scepticism. He presented it as an indubitable truth and used it as the basis of an argument for the existence of god.
Nietzsche's dissection of Descartes' cogito is brilliant - once you've read it you wonder why it took so long for someone to see what he made so obvious - this was not an indubitable truth, but a set of daring assumptions. It is a wonderful demonstration of philosophical thinking and a refusal to be overawed by Descartes' reputation. As Danial Goldberg says:

Friedrich Nietzsche blows the cogito completely out of the water in Beyond Good and Evil. In Section 16 of On the Prejudices of Philosophers, he notes,

The people on their part may think that cognition is knowing all about things, but the philosopher must say to himself: "When I analyze the process that is expressed in the sentence, 'I think,' I find a whole series of daring assertions, the argumentative proof of which would be difficult, perhaps impossible: for instance, that it is I who think, that there must necessarily be something that thinks, that thinking is an activity and operation on the part of a being who is thought of as a cause, that there is an 'ego,' and finally, that it is already determined what is to be designated by thinking--that I KNOW what thinking is. For if I had not already decided within myself what it is, by what standard could I determine whether that which is just happening is not perhaps 'willing' or 'feeling'? In short, the assertion 'I think,' assumes that I COMPARE my state at the present moment with other states of myself which I know, in order to determine what it is; on account of this retrospective connection with further 'knowledge,' it has, at any rate, no immediate certainty for me."

This is devastating ... Intellectual carnage. Nietzsche was awesome.

http://trivialpursuits.typepad.com/trivial_pursuits/2004/02/deconstructing_.html

A Reasonable Scepticism

But a problem I encountered as a lecturer was that when one encourages students to be sceptical, many easily go from excessive credulity regarding experts and authorities, to assuming that one should just ignore experts and that all opinions are equally valid. It can be hard to get them to accept the more complicated view that being sceptical is not the same as nihilism; one should be both sceptical AND respect well-researched, well-argued views. What we need is a "reasonable scepticism ":

While these examples are meant to disillusion the reader about the objectivity and vision of transcendent truth claimed by scientists, they are not intended to be antiscientific or to suggest that we should give up science in favor of, say, astrology or thinking beautiful thoughts. Rather, they are meant to acquaint the reader with the truth about science as a social activity and to promote a reasonable skepticism about the sweeping claims that modern science makes to an understanding of human existence. There is a difference between skepticism and cynicism, for the former can lead to action and the latter only to passivity. So these pages have a political end, too, which is to encourage the readers not to leave science to the experts, not to be mystified by it, but to demand a sophisticated scientific understanding in which everyone can share.

A Reasonable Skepticism by Richard Lewontin

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/course/76-101AA/readings/Lewontinfull.htm

Nietzsche is often seen, mistakenly, as nihilistic, but in fact he was for going beyond nihilism to construct new values:

he parts company with nihilists in that he did not argue that everything deserves to be destroyed. He was not simply interested in tearing down traditional beliefs based upon traditional values; instead, he also wanted to help build new values. He pointed in the direction of a "superman" [overman] who might be able to construct his own set of values independent of what anyone else thought.

http://atheism.about.com/od/nihilismnihilists/a/nietzsche.htm

A sceptical web

Some see the web as promoting a healthy scepticism - though unfortunately the following is too sweeping in its optimism; the web is also full of groups with dogmatic views. But there is some truth in this, the web does make it very easy to read a wide variety of views and criticisms of them.
This refers to Ireland and the vote against the Lisbon Treaty:

But one thing is for sure; we don't follow our politicians like sheep anymore[! if only - see the sheep dutifully applaud Palin's nonsense]. As a taxi driver told me, he went on the Web, looked up some stuff about the Lisbon Treaty, and decided to vote no.

The Web is about the informed, skeptical society. [AND cults and a vast array of groups with dogmatic views] There is a break developing between this skeptical society and its experts, institutions and organizations. The organization can't just say: "Trust us. Follow us. We know best."

The posters for the No campaign were second person and direct, saying things like "IT'LL COST YOU: MORE TAX, LESS POWER". Many of the posters for the Yes campaign had big pictures of the local politician. These posters were saying: `I'm your local politician. Trust me.' "What we did with the poster campaign was cynical and wrong," Leo Varadkar, a member of the Irish parliament, stated about his party's campaign.
In the pre-Web, politicians and marketers saw people as sheep to be lead. But in the post-Web the sheep have turned into wolves hungry for the meat in the message.

http://giraffeforum.com/wordpress/2008/07/06/experts-and-organizations-losing-trust/

"Hungry wolves" ?  Look at how quickly "Joe the plumber" was torn apart and the bits spread over the blogosphere :

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/10/16/11053/258

Cf.:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27221645/

Palin rapidly lost popularity, attacks and satires proliferated on the web and members of the more intelligent right deplored her encouragement of dogmatic ignorance, e.g. David Brooks:

[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he'd rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn't think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html

But, before we congratulate ourselves as being people who "celebratrate ideas" and feel affirmed in our convictions - Nietzsche offers a typical warning:

To prove a conviction is quite senseless; rather, it is important to prove that one has a right to be so convinced ... Conviction is an objection, a question mark, a défi ["challenge"] (--very popular error: having the courage of one's convictions--? Rather it is a matter of having the courage for an attack on one's convictions! ! !
--Spring 1888 14 [159]

But that can be very hard to do by oneself and it helps to be part of a community which will criticise one's convictions (which is how science works) - hard as that may be to accept sometimes :-)

So off you go.

McCain and Little Dorrit

On Monday's TV news McCain told his supporters (as I remember it): "They say those who ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it." Of course he doesn't want to offend Joe Sixpack by coming over as an east-coast, liberal elitist, so he used the folksy "they say", rather than "the Spanish philosopher Santayana said". 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' Life of Reason, Reason in Common Sense, Scribner's, 1905, page 284" Collecting and Editing the Works of George Santayana http://www.iupui.edu/~santedit/ But, oh, the ironies - perhaps he only pretends he can't cope with emails and secretly he's been checking the blogosphere, but not really learning from it: History Repeats: John McCain Channels the Ghost of Herbert Hoover On October 25, 1929, the day after Black Thursday, one of the days signaling the start of the Great Depression, where the Dow Jones lost 9 percent of its value in a single day, Republican President Herbert Hoover announced to the American people: "The fundamental business of the country... is on a sound and prosperous basis." Sound familiar? In perhaps the biggest political gaffe since then, just three days ago on September 15, 2008- on the very day now being referred to as `Black Monday', where the Dow collapsed by over 500 points- John McCain, seemingly channeling the restless ghost of Herbert Hoover, declared: "I think still -- the fundamentals of our economy are strong." ... And the wheels of irony don't stop churning there. September 15th wasn't the first Monday to earn the ghoulish title of `Black Monday'. In fact, that title originally belonged to October 19, 1987, where the Dow Jones collapsed, as it did three days ago, by over 500 points, which ended up signaling the start of a massive recession in the late 80's and early 90's. ... History has been very clear here: Every time Republican and conservative economic policies are implemented, the results are worse than disastrous: they're catastrophic. ... Even in the midst of a monumental economic collapse, John McCain has the naivete to announce that the fundamentals of the economy are still strong. Yes, well, the conservative principles which he extols are certainly still firmly in place. But is anyone honestly still being fooled? Those principles have been convincingly falsified by history again and again. This time, let's remember history. http://bryannelson.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/history-repeats Dickens and financial crisis But the relevant history isn't confined to the USA, and, by coincidence, one of the examples from UK history features in a new BBC series based on Dickens' "Little Dorrit". Andrew Davies is doing the adaptation, and says:  The world of Little Dorrit has many resonances with our own. Honest businessmen struggle while City financiers spin money out of nothing. The institutions of government, epitomised in the Office of Circumlocution, are complacent, incompetent, uncaring. Everyone's drowning in debt. Plenty to get our teeth into. We'll be searingly relevant. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/oct/12/charlesdickens-television Historian Tristram Hunt elaborates: With characteristic brio, George Bernard Shaw claimed Little Dorrit was a more seditious text than Marx's Das Kapital. Even if the novel does not call for the 'expropriation of the expropriators', Shaw is right in celebrating it as one of the 19th-century's most unforgiving critiques of capitalism. Reborn in the deft BBC series, it is a rich text for our supremely troubled financial times. ... it is the way such widespread fraud percolates down which makes Little Dorrit feel such a contemporary indictment of runaway materialism. Behind the novel stand the words of Dickens's intellectual mentor, the sage Thomas Carlyle. 'This is not a Religious age. Only the material, the immediately practical, not the divine and spiritual, is important to us,' he wrote in 1829, criticising the collapse of social bonds in the quest for riches. Consumption had taken the place of society. In 1843, he wrote: 'We have profoundly forgotten everywhere that Cash-payment is not the sole relation of human beings.' Now, 165 years on, we are painfully relearning that lesson. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/oct/12/charlesdickens Carlyle's "Cash-payment" is strikingly similar to Marx's famous "cash nexus", but, when I checked, it's even closer, because Marx's doesn't actaully use "cash nexus", he uses the same phrase as Carlyle: "The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations.  It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his `natural superiors', and has left no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous `cash payment'" Manifesto of the Communist Party One of the pleasures of Google is being able to check up on these surprising links. I had thought of Carlyle as very right-wing, as usual history is a bit more complicated than good guys and bad guys: Carlyle evolved in the course of the 1840s into an out-and-out political reactionary. This evolution reflected the peculiar social and historical character of Carlyle's critique of emerging capitalist society. His early work expressed the "anti-capitalism" of a man who evoked nostalgically the values of a feudal and aristocratic society.[Cf Marx, above] ... When he wrote his first assessment of Carlyle's work in 1843, Engels was not yet a Marxist. Nor, we should point out, was Marx. But by the time Marx and Engels wrote again on the subject of Carlyle, in April 1850, they had worked out the essential foundations of the materialist conception of history. This entailed an extensive critique of various forms of petty-bourgeois and pre-Marxian socialism, including that of Carlyle. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/corr-m29.shtml A further irony is that this TV adapatation of Little Dorrit is itself an example of the way the ideology behind the "cash payment" has increasingly taken over. As Davies notes, rather than a producer being enthusiastic about a book and initiating a project, decisions are taken at a higher level, based on the likely success of the "product" and a "deal" made. A series based on a classic is relatively safe, will be good for the BBC's status and its share of the audience, but won't do much for writers today: 18 MONTHS EARLIER E & O restaurant, London W11 I'm having dinner with the BBC's Jane Tranter. ... Bleak House has done very well, and Jane would like another Dickens. Which one? I suggest Dombey and Son or Little Dorrit, and Jane plumps for Little Dorrit. It's a deal, just like that. I never ask why she went for Dorrit rather than Dombey. Maybe because it's got a girl in the title? ... (Back in the old days the producer would have been there before me, initiated the product, and even commissioned it. Now the commissioning comes from on high, and the producer gets assigned to the project.) ibid These assigned producers are, of course, not very committed to the project, and open to the offer of higher "cash payments", which was demonstrated dramatically in this case: So here I am on a sunny Friday lunchtime to have an inaugural lunch with my producer, Kate Bartlett, the executive producer, Sally Woodward, and the script editor, Surian Fletcher-Jones, who worked with me on Sense and Sensibility. ... We have a delightful lunch, and tell each other how much we're going to enjoy working together on this wonderful project, etc. The following Monday I'm told that Sally Woodward and Kate Bartlett have both left the BBC, Kate Bartlett to ITV, Sally Woodward to the independent company Carnival. Surely they must have known this on Friday when we were all saying how much fun we were going to have together? http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/oct/12/charlesdickens-television Meanwhile, back in the USA, ironically another criticism of McCain for failing to learn from history: John McCain may not know that if you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. The American people are tired of fighting the Vietnam ghosts of the 1960s and 1970s and the financial ghosts of the 1980s. They want someone who [is] looking forward, but also someone who knows where we've been. And that person isn't John McCain. http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/election08/344 Should McCain win, it will be, like W's wins (to adapt Marx on repetition in history), both tragedy and farce and not just for Americans.

Juan-Les-Pins

The heavy clouds over Nice led some of us to leave our sunglasses at home -



only to be dazzled by the sun in a cloudless sky in Juan-les-Pins at 7pm:

After the beach, Pousse Pousse, a Thai restaurant and Anne-Gaelle's birthday:



Montserrat demonstrates her knowledge of gang hand-signs.



James prepares to crown Liz: "Mother of the night" - while Tom dreams of kids' meet-ups with an earlier finish:

Saorge, Fontan memorial ceremony

Saorge is a very beautiful medieval village perched along a narrow rock spur that juts out into the Vallée de la Roya, high above the river. Saorge is classed as one of the "40 most beautiful villages of France".

http://www.beyond.fr/villages/saorge.html

To get to Saorge from Nice, the A8 takes one into Italy, before the S20 goes back into France and to Saorge. We stopped off in Airole, an Italian village, to look for a restaurant, but the only two seemed to be closed. It's an amazing medieval warren:



And the "Happy Days Bar" wasn't quite what we were looking for:



Back in France we found a restaurant with terrace in Breil sur Roya, which seemed to be a quiet village. But once seated there was an incredible noise, which I assumed was someone cutting stone, or some other building work. But the waitress explained that it was model power-boats on the river. As with the bloody motor-bikes in Nice, just a few nuts ruin the peace for everyone else - a clear case for a ban. Until then - don't stop if you're looking for some calm:



Saorge IS a haven of calm:



Like Airole, Saorge has incredible little medieval streets:





The main street:





The communal laundry - labour-saving devices avoid a great deal of hard work, but can lead to social isolation - what gossip must have been exchanged here:



The Franciscan monastery - how many lives were wasted here?



At least now it is used to provide places for writers to work in peace - and to show art - sadly, the current stuff was very boring abstract painting:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/anne.slacik

The monastery was founded at about the time Galileo was being silenced:



When we left Saorge we arrived in nearby Fontan, with incredible timing, just as the road was blocked by the memorial day procession (May 8th).

At 02:41 on May 7, 1945, at the SHAEF headquarters in Reims, France, the Chief-of-Staff of the German Armed Forces High Command, Colonel General Alfred Jodl, signed the German Instrument of Surrender. All active operations were to cease at 23:01 Central European Time on May 8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_in_Europe_Day

So M parked and I got some photos.





In the History Channel an American doubts if many Americans today know about the significance of the day:

The act of military surrender was signed on May 7 in Reims, France, and May 8 in Berlin, Germany.

Surprised no one posted anything about this historic day. My Dad told me once that when they were told the war in Europe was over, the GIs had to turn in all their ammunition and fire off what they had in their weapons. He thought 'I sure hope somebody told the Germans this is over'.

63 years ago this day. I doubt a large number of Americans walking around today could even tell you what VE Day meant let alone who we fought against. Pretty sad state of affairs.

Ironmike

History channel

We tried to celebrate being alive with a drink on Beaulieu beach.

The day after writing that, I read this in the International Herald Tribune:

Johnny pulled guard from 9 to 11

Patrick Logan

... After my father died in 1997, I found his wartime letters to my mother. Germany's imminent surrender was a frequent theme, along with a longing for home. One topic was taboo: death.
...
Attending Mass in the village of Belvedere on a Sunday in October, my father escaped injury when German artillery shelled the town. His best friend, a man named Johnny, was not so lucky. In a letter to my mother soon after, the realities of war forced my father to forget his self-censorship.

"A month after Johnny was killed, his wife wrote me. She must be very religious or something because she wanted to know if Johnny had gone to church that morning he was killed. Johnny couldn't go to mass that morning. We went to the nine o'clock mass and Johnny pulled guard from 9 to 11. He planned to go then. We went to the church basement and Father Lambert finished the service there. It wasn't till about 10:30 that I heard that Johnny had been killed.
...
My father lived. I live. Millions of Americans can say these two words because someone came home from a war decades ago. If those Americans were lucky, they learned what my father taught me: to celebrate life by realizing how fortunate you are to have it.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/09/opinion/edlogan.php

Unfortunately, by the time we descended from the A8, the beach cafe was closing, so we couldn't sit and enjoy this view at Beaulieu:



So we had drinks in the lovely garden of La Reserve, from which we could just see the sea through the restaurant. A very nice end to the day with the lovely M:



As Logan's father said:

"celebrate life by realizing how fortunate you are to have it."

Lac Saint Cassien

Sat. 3rd May Montserrat, her sister Marie and I went to Lac Saint Cassien. Marie, who'd been before, suggested it - what a wonderful, unspoiled place!



"This beautiful, wild lake is about 7 km long north-south, with an east-west section another 3 km long. With its southern tip adjacent to the autoroute, only 12 km west of Cannes, the Lac de St. Cassien is easy to get to, but remains natural in a natural environment. The lake is bordered almost completely by forested hills, and the shoreline is undeveloped, leaving its beauty for all to enjoy."








Then we went to nearby Fayence:





"First record, 909: Fagentia; 1119: Favenze
In Latin, Faventia Loca means a favorable location.

Gallo-Roman: Vestiges of Roman occupation were found at Notre-Dame-des-Cyprès (1 km west), at La Bégude (20 km southwest) and at the Moulin de Camandoule.

Medieval: The Saracen invasions devastated Fayence, leaving the town deserted, although the Monks of Lérins had an important convent here (at the Notre-Dame-des-Cyprès) from the 11th century on. In the 12th century, Alphonse 1st d'Aragon gave the fief of Fayence to the bishops of Fréjus. In the 1391, Turenne destroyed the village of Callian, 5 km to the east, and the fleeing people came to Fayence, repopulated it for the first time since the Saracens had passed through."

It's more peaceful now:













We returned to the restaurant Les Arbousiers on the lake in the evening:







Just in time to catch the last of the sun:

Arrogant Power: Rome and the US

Recently, exploring the area NE of Nice, we ended up at La Turbie, high above Monaco. Later exploration of the background to a famous monument there once again led to some surprising links with present-day politics.



As we walked through the village, we had to pass through a group of mourners in a street outside a church - nobody was taking photos and neither did I. It was a lovely day, which somebody couldn’t enjoy any longer. La Turbie’s main claim to fame is a grander reminder of mortality - La Tropheé des Alpes - its ruins dominating the village



http://www.beyond.fr/villphotos2/turbieP01.html

The Trophée des Alpes, or Trophy of Augustus, was a 50 m high monument to the power of Rome and the glory of Augustus. Now only 35 m high and half in ruin, it's still an imposing monument, over 2000 years after it was built.

http://www.beyond.fr/sites/trophee.html

One might have thought we might have learned some lessons in all that time, but exploring the background to this monument reveals remarkable parallels with today, and that some politicians go on making some of the same mistakes, due to similar arrogance and ignorance.

In 13 BC, during the reign of Augustus (who had been Octavian until 31 BC) the Romans planned a new coast road into Gaul (Provence). This road became the Via Julia Augustus (or Via Julia, later to merge into the Aurelian Way that was built 150 years later. Augustus used this route to conquer the Ligurians and bring the Pax Romain to Provence.

http://www.beyond.fr/sites/trophee.html

Statue of Augustus in the Trophée’s museum with map of the Via Julia Augustus

At La Turbie the road passed over the lowest point on a ridge that ran out from Mont Agel. This was not only a strategic site, it was also the highest point on the long Roman road into Gaul and marked the gateway between Italy and the Roman conquests of Gaul.

http://www.beyond.fr/sites/trophee.html

The model in the museum showing how the monument looked when constructed


Memory of vertigo

As we climbed up, partly on the inside, I suddenly knew that we would come out on an open platform with a vertiginous view. I had just remembered that I had been here before, with a girlfriend, decades ago. I remembered clearly that as we emerged from inside onto the platform there was no barrier, and I had almost clung to the wall at the back with a sudden attack of vertigo, while my girlfriend casually peered over the edge!



Now, in a more safety-conscious age, there was a comforting steel barrier. The memory of the sensation was very clear, but I had entirely forgotten the location. Could it really be that long ago that I’d been here before - another intimation of mortality.

Ruins

The ruin of the Trophy began about 15 centuries ago, with the decline of the Roman Empire. In early 400 AD the Wisigoths entered Provence, the Vandals passed through and other "barbarians" added to the general destruction of the area and the Trophy.

The religious powers that increased towards the end of the Merovingian dynasty disliked the Trophy, considering it as dedicated to the pagen Apollo, and around 700 AD, the Monks of Lérins arrived to destroy the statues.
...
Louis IV ordered the Trophy blown up in 1705, but the 17-century-old construction largely withstood his efforts. The durable stone was pillaged to build the Saint-Michel church as well as numerous other constructions ...

http://www.beyond.fr/sites/trophee.html

This huge, ruined monument reminded me of Shelley’s poem, Ozymandias (1818)

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: — Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Imperial propaganda

Augustus had a lot more to say than Ozymandias, and his autobiographical epitaph has been pieced together from various monuments to him scattered around what was the Roman Empire. The title gives the flavour:

The achievements of the deified Augustus by which he placed the whole world under the sovereignty of the Roman people, and of the amounts which he expended upon the state and the Roman people.

E.g. : a section related to La Trophée, which also has echoes of recent US imperialism:

The Alps, from the region which lies nearest to the Adriatic as far as the Tuscan Sea, I brought to a state of peace without waging on any tribe an unjust war ... the Cimbri and Charydes and Semnones and other peoples of the Germans of that same region through their envoys sought my friendship and that of the Roman people. On my order and under my auspices two armies were led, at almost the same time, into Ethiopia and into Arabia which is called the "Happy," and very large forces of the enemy of both races were cut to pieces in battle and many towns were captured.

http://www.livius.org/ra-rn/res_gestae/res_gestae06.html

The price of arrogance

But I noticed that while he’d referred to the friendly Germans, he’d omitted one of the Roman empire’s greatest military disasters, the annihilation of three legions, one tenth of Rome’s military might, by the Germans in the Teutoburg forest!

I remembered reading that when news reached Augustus he was unable to sleep, banged his head against the wall and cried “give me back my legions”. I put this phrase into Google and, in one of those weird coincidences, instead of the expected link to a site about classical history, the first link was to an article in the Boston Globe - supporting my point about the link between Rome and the US today, comparing US policy in Iraq to Roman policy in Germany! It’s a very interesting article, I recommend reading the whole thing:

'Give me back my legions!' Rome's most humiliating defeat -- and a lesson for America

By Cullen Murphy May 20, 2007

... Some Romans blamed sheer incompetence, some the bad weather, some a supernatural judgment. No one at the time hinted at the true explanation, the strategic premise of the disaster, which was simply this: The Roman disinclination either to understand the mind or credit the capabilities of people unlike themselves.

"Underestimation of space was matched by the under-rating of people," one historian concludes. Another writes, "The Romans simply could not believe that their military forces had been outfought by the northern barbarians." Even if evidence had been presented, in advance, of barbarian precocity, he goes on, "Augustus and other Roman officials would not have been receptive."

According to Suetonius, after receiving news of the battle Augustus could be heard hitting his head against a door and lamenting aloud, "Quinctilius Varus, give me back my legions!"

Those words -- "give me back my legions" -- have echoed hauntingly down the centuries. They have particular force today as America breaks its army in Iraq, a predicament brought on in part by habits of mind with long antecedents - an Augustan pedigree.

Boston Globe

Arminius/Hermann/Siegfried - the German hero

In the 19th century a monument was erected to the leader of the triumphant Germans:

In 1875, a huge bronze statue was erected in Germany to commemorate the event on what was believed to be the immediate area of the battle. The "Hermann's Denkmal" (Memoria) is to be found on a high hill near Detmold, facing south towards Rome, with sword held aloft, and foot pinning the Roman eagle to the floor.

http://varusbattle.com/index.html

Of Arminius, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote, "He was undoubtedly the liberator of Germany, a man who did not, as did other kings and generals, challenge Rome in its early stages, but when it stood at the zenith of its power. In battles he fought with varying success, but in the war he remained unconquered. His deeds live on in the songs of his people...." (Tacitus, Annals, 1, 57,58)

These songs were handed down through the generations, and the story of Arminius became transformed into myth in the process.

The Correspondences between Arminius and Siegfried

Famous twentieth-century researchers ... retraced the development of these epic poems and discovered that their hero, Siegfried, is indeed the figure whose Latin name has come down to us as Arminius.

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Medieval/Siegfried.htm

From Germany to the US



http://www.ci.new-ulm.mn.us/index.asp

As a point of interest a similar statue was built in New Ulm, Minnesota, USA, in 1897, by German immigrants and settlers, to commemorate their settlement in America. (Some 35% of the American population is of German descent).

ibid

Despite this reminder, actually on US soil, of a famous Roman imperial disaster, Rumsfeld (German origin ?), and co. went on to repeat the Romans' arrogant ignorance of other peoples - and ordinary Americans, like the Romans, are paying a heavy price - in this case those they attacked are paying a far greater price.

The Romans learned from the disaster and never again tried to conquer the Germans beyond the Rhine and the Roman empire lasted another four hundred years. But the kind of people who got the Americans into the Iraq disaster talk about attacking Iran:

In a veritable blitz of editorials and opinion pieces published Wednesday and Thursday, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, and National Review warned that Tehran had passed a significant benchmark in what they declared was its quest for nuclear weapons and that the administration must now plan in earnest to destroy Iran's known nuclear facilities, as well as possible military targets, to prevent it from retaliating.

Comparing Iran's alleged push to gain a nuclear weapon to Adolf Hitler's 1936 march on the Rhineland, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol called for undertaking "serious preparation for possible military action – including real and urgent operational planning for bombing strikes and for the consequences of such strikes."

[Explaining, in a style which might have been borrowed from Augustus]

"[A] great nation has to be serious about its responsibilities," according to Kristol, a leading neoconservative champion of the Iraq war and co-founder of the Project for the New American Century, "even if executing other responsibilities has been more difficult than one would have hoped." [to put it mildly]

http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=8852

Kristol should go back a lot further in German history for a more apt and sobering lesson about "great nations" and the "difficulties" they can experience.